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Poster: Moongleam Date: Jul 21, 2010 10:51am
Forum: feature_films Subject: The St. Louis Bank Robbery (1959)

is now being sold by Alpha Video. Although the copyright was renewed, there may be a loophole somewhere.


The Great St. Louis bank robbery. By Columbia Broadcasting System, Inc.
Type of Work: Motion Picture
Registration Number / Date: RE0000314880 / 1986-12-16
Renewal registration for: LP0000014000 / 1959-01-29 (in notice: 1958)
Title: The Great St. Louis bank robbery. By Columbia Broadcasting System, Inc.
Copyright Claimant: Film World International (PWH)
Copyright Note: C.O. correspondence.

Variant title: The Great St. Louis bank robbery.
Names: Columbia Broadcasting System, Inc.
Film World International

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Poster: gzd Date: Jul 21, 2010 1:22pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: The St. Louis Bank Robbery (1959)

Did you check the validity of the copyright notice?

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Poster: Moongleam Date: Jul 21, 2010 9:47pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: The St. Louis Bank Robbery (1959)

There is no notice in the opening credits. In the closing credits there is "(c) MCMLVIII Columbia Broadcasting System, Inc." To me, it looks as though that notice could have been superimposed after the film was released. And perhaps it should have been "Charles Guggenheim & Associates". (IMDB says that the production companies were Charles Guggenheim & Associates (as Guggenheim Associates) and Columbia Broadcasting System (CBS). Guggenheim produced and directed.)

See attached picture.


1. It's sold by Mill Creek in a movie two-pack with Ed Wood's "Jail Bait", which is p.d.

2. It's sold by Mill Creek in Action Classics 50 Movie Pack.

3. It's now being sold by Alpha Video (for $5.95). All or virtually all of the old films sold by Alpha are p.d.

4. Go to Amazon and see the amazing number of companies that have released it on DVD.

5. The wikipedia entry says it's p.d.

6. Public Domain Torrents has it (http://www.publicdomaintorrents.com/nshowmovie.html?movieid=65).


Does anyone have a version of this that lacks a copyright notice?




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Poster: Moongleam Date: Jul 22, 2010 12:02am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: The St. Louis Bank Robbery (1959)

For what it's worth, I happened to find this here (http://www.archive.org/stream/1958businessscreenmav19rich/1958businessscreenmav19rich_djvu.txt):

CHARLES GUGGENHEIM &
ASSOCIATES, INC.

3330 Olive Street, St. Louis, Missouri

Phone: JE 5-9188

Date of Organization: 1956

Charles Guggenheim, President
Jack A. Guggenheim, Vice-President
Jack A. Guggenheim, Jr., Secretary
Thomas Guggenheim, Treasurer

Services: Production of theatrical and non-
theatrical motion pictures. Facilities: Com-
plete 16 and 35mm editing, projection, sound
recording, mixing, dubbing, interlock, camera,
and lighting facilities.


WEST CENTRAL: Missouri


RECENT PRODUCTIONS AND SPONSORS

Motion Pictures: A City Decides (Fund for
the Republic) ; The Big City (City of St.
Louis) ; World of One (Chicago Joint Appeal) ;
The Man Who Called (National Council of
Catholic Men) ; The Saint Louis Bank Robbery
(self -produced for Guggenheim & Assoc).


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Poster: cosmico Date: Jul 21, 2010 6:41pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: The St. Louis Bank Robbery (1959)

Digiview (a PD DVD seller) also has/had a dollar DVD of this title, and it was selling in every Wal-Mart as of a few years ago (that's where I got my copy).

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffVideo-Cellar Date: Jul 21, 2010 11:52pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: The St. Louis Bank Robbery (1959)

The film was originally published without a notice, but most prints currently in circulation are later television syndication prints which had a super'd copyright notice on the end.

The renewal would be effectively invalid on that basis alone, but when you add the renewing party "Film World International" was one of those companies that tried to renew films they didn't really own before they entered the PD, it is completely invalid. They also tried this with "The Proud Rebel", "The Deep Six" and "Lonelyhearts". Only problem was that Alan Ladd Enterprises (Deep Six) and Schary Productions (Lonelyhearts) also applied for renewals and FWI got found out. Don't ask me why the copyright office keeps the records of the fraudulent claims on file.


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Poster: tvproducer Date: May 25, 2011 6:35pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: The St. Louis Bank Robbery (1959)

I'm trying to get the right to re-make this film and I see that a John Jack Carr sold them to an AIMS GROUP LLC.
I'm not sure if Carr had the right to "sell" to AIMS. Can anyone advise?
Thanks, Joe

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Poster: Moongleam Date: Jul 21, 2010 11:49pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: The St. Louis Bank Robbery (1959)

Thanks a lot for confirming my suspicion about the superimposed copyright notice!!!

Finally we can provide a home for this Steve McQueen film in the Archive. It was briefly here a couple of years ago but was removed because the copyright notice was taken at face value.

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Poster: tvproducer Date: May 25, 2011 6:33pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: The St. Louis Bank Robbery (1959)

I'm trying to get the right to re-make this film and I see that a John Jack Carr sold them to an AIMS GROUP LLC.
I'm not sure if Carr had the right to "sell" to AIMS. Can anyone advise?
Thanks, Joe